hj308's HZ Sandman Build

**hj308** · 29-09-2010, 09:10 PM

NO the guy said it doesnt have a tyre placard on the glovebox lid.

**Absinth** · 29-09-2010, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by HK1837

There was no uprate from XU4. Only a downgrade from normal. Springs are the same. Reduction in GVW is wholly because of the tyres. Exactly the same today, where you have to fit load rated tyres to load carrying vehicles.

I don't agree with you there Byron.

Standard Van, Ute and One Tonner had six leaf rear springs.... XX7 and XU4 had four leaf rear springs. Shock absorbers were the same until HZ where regular and heavy duty rear are listed for 60,70 and 80.

Just changing the tyres would do little to improve ride comfort....

**stickthis** · 29-09-2010, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by hj308

NO the guy said it doesnt have a tyre placard on the glovebox lid.

Thats a shame as I have never seen a XU4 placard. (i collect tyre placards)

--- Updated ---

Originally Posted by Absinth

I don't agree with you there Byron.

Standard Van, Ute and One Tonner had six leaf rear springs.... XX7 and XU4 had four leaf rear springs. Shock absorbers were the same until HZ where regular and heavy duty rear are listed for 60,70 and 80.

Just changing the tyres would do little to improve ride comfort....

But they would handle better due to the softer tyres.

**Absinth** · 29-09-2010, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by stickthis

That's a shame as I have never seen a XU4 placard. (i collect tyre placards)

--- Updated ---

But they would handle better due to the softer tyres.

Not necessarily

**hj308** · 29-09-2010, 10:28 PM

Hey I just checked the photos of the compliance plate the guy send me and it is HZWM70 not HZWN70 , he is going to send me the skinny tag id photo tomorrow does this mean it could now possibily be a sandy instead of a K/wood

**Blocker** · 29-09-2010, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by hj308

Hey I just checked the photos of the compliance plate the guy send me and it is HZWM70 not HZWN70 , he is going to send me the skinny tag id photo tomorrow does this mean it could now possibily be a sandy instead of a K/wood

It is NOT a Kingswood if it is M70. As detailed in our front page;
http://mysandman.com.au/ident.html

M = Commercial vehicle
N = Kingswood

Sandmans were "made" from commercial vehicles (M) but had derated load capacity due to having standard tyres and not commercial tyres.
However this is not the only thing that makes a vehicle a Sandman, there are other factors as well, detailed in the link above.

**hj308** · 29-09-2010, 11:04 PM

Yeah I had read the detailed id points but it is nice to hear it from someone else, As mentioned in first thread this van has gts dash, steering wheel, gts rims, twin headlight front, full hoodlining not sure about courtesy lights did ask about those. The trim code, paint etc, Chasis does match vin had that confirmed this evening just waiting to see skinny id tag , is their anything else you could suggest to help with id??

**Blocker** · 29-09-2010, 11:12 PM

Nope it looks good to be a Sandman with the updated info you have provided.

However I would be really checking the plates by photo or go and see for yourself if you can. If the seller can get mixed up between an N and M on the phone/email... you'd be wanting to check it for yourself!

Good luck and share the photos when you can.

**HK1837** · 29-09-2010, 11:20 PM

If it isn't a Kingswood then it'd be very unlikely NOT to be a Sandman. Note that normal Sandman had commercial tyres. It was only the mid HJ on XX7 that passenger tyres.

Absinth, never seen different spec for leaf springs in any GMH documentation for reduced GVW. I have the full features listings including build sheets for both XX7 and XU3 and no difference in springs listed. Vans and utes never had 1-tonner size spings as standard. You could order tonner leafs as heavy duty option, but that was over and above standard 2155kg/2200kg GVW. Remember XU3 existed from day dot in Sandman, and ran through to the end. It was called XX7 at the start, but changed to XU3 mid HJ. It was the new package introduced mid HJ that then carried the XX7 code. The "normal" pacage didn't change mid HJ, it stayed the same. Softer springs were not fitted to the new reduced GVW Sandman.

**hj308** · 29-09-2010, 11:26 PM

So would you suggest if the skinny tag id checks out ok then you could be about as confident as you can be about a non XX7 van. Have photo of one compliance and plate have to admit either I heard him wrong or he read it wrong in regards to the N instead of a M.