Sandman Car Club Thread

[Jeza]

Just to chime in, I have been trying to get started on a "car club" for a little while now (Vic) and have been getting the run around by Vic roads they only give me an email address that doesn't respond to me, Google don't help much either.. It's a bit like,You need this before you can do that, but you can't do that untill you have this
The only bloke I know personally that is a member of a Club tells me the club officials keep there cards close to there chest :( But one thing he assures me is that the 90 day thing is either 1x90 or 2x45 days "straight" meaning Not 90 selected days. hope i'm wrong but i are saying if you started 90 days from Jan 1st it would be done and dusted on March 31st and not eligible to re-new until the next calender year.
If any one can put me on the right track to starting a Vic Car club I would be very greatfull

There doesn't appear to be any info about how to be accepted on the approved VicRoads club list... I do know bloke in VicRoads, I'll ask.

It's definitely not 45/90 'straight' days. It's 45/90 days over the year of the permit.

[Calum]

There doesn't appear to be any info about how to be accepted on the approved VicRoads club list... I do know bloke in VicRoads, I'll ask.

It's definitely not 45/90 'straight' days. It's 45/90 days over the year of the permit.

Ta Jeza, So you are saying if you had a 90 day permit and only took the toy out on Sundays you wouldn't come close to using all your days.

Also another piece to the puzzle of 'getting started' is your club has to be "incorporated" so they say its like starting a business, Have name of group,have members signed up,become incorporated 'that apparently is so an individual can't be liable'(sued),then you are getting close to Vicroads.

this bit above is not gospel,it is just what I have been told

[Jeza]

Ta Jeza, So you are saying if you had a 90 day permit and only took the toy out on Sundays you wouldn't come close to using all your days.

Also another piece to the puzzle of 'getting started' is your club has to be "incorporated" so they say its like starting a business, Have name of group,have members signed up,become incorporated 'that apparently is so an individual can't be liable'(sued),then you are getting close to Vicroads.

this bit above is not gospel,it is just what I have been told

Absolutely, I work on the once or twice a weekend principle.

I think your on track with the Inc body, I don't believe it's too difficult to establish.

[Jeza]

I have been looking into the idea of club rego and the local club in my area has an $80.00 per year membership fee, a requirement for a RWC each year to have your clup permit signed off, then you pay for the club rego to Vicroads,for a 90 day permi thats $136.00. Taking the cost of the RWC at $150.00 and some places charge much more! The total cost is in the region $360.00 and you can only drive the car 90 days out of the year. My rego for 12 months full reg is $592.00 for my VE Commodore and $ 596.00 for my Discovery, why the difference I have no idea. In that light paying full reg and having 365 days use of my vehicle and no restrictions is more attractive to me than club reg. I have also been a member of different car clubs and vintage and classic motor cycle clubs over the years, not having to deal with some of the (expletive deleted) people involved is a bonus

It may be worth having a look at other clubs. I'm with the ASRF which costs $88 for two years. Initially there was the requirement of getting a RWC but not annually, no different to registering other other car for the first time. After the initial RWC cost, it works out to be <$200 per year including the 90 day permit and the ASRF member fees. No club requirements (attending meetings, runs) either, just got to be a financial member. Works for me

http://www.asrf.org.au/?page_id=9

[Alien DNA]

Everyone raises some very valid points here. And there needs more discussion for sure.

I've looked into the Sandman Owners Club (vic), and they havent been active for close to 10 years......and thats the only ... "dedicated" ... Sandman club there is. The link to their website has been dead for quite some time now.

Now there are clubs for GTs, Hot Rods, HSVs, Skylines, Customlines etc etc all model specific clubs, but really, there isn't anything Sandman anymore. So now, or the near future, might be the time to fire up a Sandman Club, seeing as their popularity seems to be getting bigger of late.

Agree with 'interlinked but separate'. But also think it should be Sandman dedicated...otherwise, whats the point. There are numerous clubs out there that are happy to have mixed makes and models that could cater for non Sandman owners. A good mate of mine needed club rego on his Sandman and is spewing there isnt a Sandman club, so he joined ASRF.

I don't want to come off sounding all elitist saying it should be just Sandmans....i just dont see the point of starting another club with mixed models, when there are a good amount of them already around. Just my opinion. Does that make sense?

[Cocko750]

Everyone raises some very valid points here. And there needs more discussion for sure.

I've looked into the Sandman Owners Club (vic), and they havent been active for close to 10 years......and thats the only ... "dedicated" ... Sandman club there is. The link to their website has been dead for quite some time now.

Now there are clubs for GTs, Hot Rods, HSVs, Skylines, Customlines etc etc all model specific clubs, but really, there isn't anything Sandman anymore. So now, or the near future, might be the time to fire up a Sandman Club, seeing as their popularity seems to be getting bigger of late.

Agree with 'interlinked but separate'. But also think it should be Sandman dedicated...otherwise, whats the point. There are numerous clubs out there that are happy to have mixed makes and models that could cater for non Sandman owners. A good mate of mine needed club rego on his Sandman and is spewing there isnt a Sandman club, so he joined ASRF.

I don't want to come off sounding all elitist saying it should be just Sandmans....i just dont see the point of starting another club with mixed models, when there are a good amount of them already around. Just my opinion. Does that make sense?

I agree it should be only sandman's (hq-hz utes or vans) ,but... wb sandy never was ,and anyone with a replica from 71 to 84 ute or van with a certain amount of likeness to a sandy could be involved? I'm pretty sure that I won't find the sandman ute I'm after but I would really like a ute to look as close as possible but a driver (efi,a/c,etc) and historic won't allow that but maybe sandman club could ?

[Jeza]

I agree it should be only sandman's (hq-hz utes or vans) ,but... wb sandy never was ,and anyone with a replica from 71 to 84 ute or van with a certain amount of likeness to a sandy could be involved? I'm pretty sure that I won't find the sandman ute I'm after but I would really like a ute to look as close as possible but a driver (efi,a/c,etc) and historic won't allow that but maybe sandman club could ?

Agree with keeping it limited to Sandman models and extending it replicas or HQ - HZ series utes and vans. If it were strictly Sandman models there would be issues with authenticity, especially extending to re-shells and not original chassis etc - too may varying opinions and views that are best avoided that's before entering into the late model HBD 'Sandman' debate. While these aren't eligible for club permits would they be eligible for membership? Would you allow membership to interested people or just owners?

A club wouldn't need (or necessarily want) to be centred around club permit schemes.

What would be the benefits to members other than club permits on eligible vehicles? Some thoughts below:-
- Runs, meets, tours - fun stuff!
- Perhaps could broker a deal with Byron with all his Sandman info online and make that available to members? Could be complimentary to the proposed book but if online it would be continually updated?
- if the club gained credibility it could be able to issue authenticity (or in some cases probability) of Sandmans?
- perhaps membership fees could assist in funding operating costs, and perhaps sponsoring this site

I would envisage that any input running the club would be voluntary.

Again would not want to detract from the forum, the users and advocates in any way- but if it were complimentary to this maybe it could work??

Jeza

[Alien DNA]

Early days now...but here's my 2 cents

-Stock, modified & replica Sandman utes & vans. Anything that isn't or doesn't resemble a Sandman shouldn't qualify.
-Allow the HBD vans...they were promoted as Sandmans. (Although that argument could be found in various threads)

-At this stage i would say a 2 part membership, a part for owners and another part for maybe a members. You don't want to turn people away from joining. What/if benefits would be for owners is up in the air.

-Runs,meets, tours etc etc
-Byron could get a lifetime membership if he divulges all his findings.....but i don't think that will happen.
-Maybe the authenticity part should be left on the forums. Just trying to keep that 'interlinked but separate' idea going.
-Great idea re fees.

Yep, all voluntary. It would have to be a committed team effort for this to work properly.

[Dick61]

Early days now...but here's my 2 cents

-Stock, modified & replica Sandman utes & vans. Anything that isn't or doesn't resemble a Sandman shouldn't qualify.
-Allow the HBD vans...they were promoted as Sandmans. (Although that argument could be found in various threads)

-At this stage i would say a 2 part membership, a part for owners and another part for maybe a members. You don't want to turn people away from joining. What/if benefits would be for owners is up in the air.

-Runs,meets, tours etc etc
-Byron could get a lifetime membership if he divulges all his findings.....but i don't think that will happen.
-Maybe the authenticity part should be left on the forums. Just trying to keep that 'interlinked but separate' idea going.
-Great idea re fees.

Yep, all voluntary. It would have to be a committed team effort for this to work properly.

Putting in my 2c worth, membership would need to be open to anyone who wanted to join as there are alot of people who would want to be involved in a club for Sandmans, even if they didn't already own one. Club eligible vehicles would be restricted to HQ to HZ for club rego. The tricky part would be to decide if the club eligibility was to extend to all body styles of HQ to HZ or would only be for Sandman Vans and Utes, if kept to vans and utes whether replicas were eligible and therefore WBs would be eligible. These questions may be subject to either a general charter or a vote of members in quorum when the first meetings etc are arranged.

[Big Rob]

If we just keep kicking this around we will come up with some good ideas and a solid platform. It seems most people that have contributed to this topic have good ideas, some do conflict a bit, but that's nothing we can't iron out.

So let's keep this running and see where it goes, it should be beneficial to everyone in some way.