Disc brakes would be one other genuine safety device.
Disc brakes would be one other genuine safety device.
What a cop out . There is no excuse for speeding. ' the worst of the lot. Hiding in the dark' give yourself an uppercut. I've been done a few times when I was younger and guess what, I was speeding. My fault!! Not the copper 'hiding in the dark.'Originally Posted by wbute
Maybe you should hand your licence in. 'They don't save one life' do you really believe that, really.?
Some roads might be safe to do well over 100 kph but are all cars and drivers.? Never ever ever will anyone convince me that it's revenue raising. Speeding is voluntary and actions have consequences. You won't draw me into any further argument about this. My opinion only. ( and the authorities)
The buck stops with the driver.
Ive been thrashing around in all manner of vehicles from 12 second street cars to 4 wheel drum brake station wagons since 87 and never had an accident .
Not because I drive like a pussy but because I make a point of being on the game Knowing where im going and driving in a manner that tells other drivers what Im about to do.
I once had a discussion with an accident prone driver and they refused to accept any responsibility for constantly being hit from behind on the drivers side when turning left. This person was obviously driving in a way that created a hazard for other road users .
Yes cars are safer but drivers are not
With you on that Dave. I'm not saying I don't speed or do stupid stuff, but if caught I cop it on the chin. There are plenty of people out there who struggle to control a vehicle at car park speeds, so laws need to factor in for the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, those that are capable need to be lumped in along with those who aren't.
There's a section of Freeway coming into Canberra about 8km long that I regularly travel. Nobody speeds on it, yet every 500metres you see signs of cars leaving the road and going into the bushes or the wire rope. This is on a straight stretch of the best road around.
I have a deep hatred of any form of speed camera.
If the cops see you doing something wrong and can catch you, so be it. But cameras set up purely to raise money are not helping anything.
Vans.... This is the 2nd time round the block, 40 years later! talk about turning back the clock!
Ah you didn't even read the post properly. Not police hiding in the dark(which they are not allowed to do in NSW) but camera cars. They achieve nothing. They do not slow anyone down! The driver does not even know they have been caught. They just continue along speeding.
As far as my point on speed limits being incorrect I will expand. There is a general speed limit on rural NSW roads of 100. Some of these roads are correctly set at that speed. Lots of traffic. No fog lines etc. then you get roads with broken edges, uneven surfaces, b double rated, busy truck roads, also 100 limit. Then you get another road, fog lines, straight, low traffic, good surface, also 100. Then you get a busy road, bends, trucks, b doubles, road trains, set at 110.
Then you tell me that all these roads are set at 100 and I am in the wrong if I say a camera car is hiding in the dark and it books someone doing 65 accelerating out of a 60 zone into a 100
Zone?
I am sorry but I find all of the above illogical but sadly true, but the way the RTA and politicians try to appear to be doing something about safety is to book old mate with a camera car?
How about fixing the bloody roads? We don't all do 20000k a year in town. Some of us take on these rediculously maintained and speed rated roads all our lives. 80000 plus km every year. That camera car hasn't helped one bit.
You have it nailed. Camera on the M4 going into Sydney. Been there for at least ten years. Traffic slows to 100 at it. Then accelerates back to 110. What is the point accept to catch the dumb ones?
If these speed cameras are so good at reducing the road toll then we need more. Lots more. Make them a franchise. I'll take 2. Put Them everywhere. Nobody will ever speed again? Nobody will ever get hurt? Truth is the only safe speed is Okm/hr. the moment a car moves we have a problem.
In recent years they changed the Northern territory to have a open road speed limit for the first time. The road went up in the first year.
I still want to own couple of speed cameras, I reckon you'd be the most popular bloke at the BBQ
Most of the time I think accidents are attributed to speed when other factors like poor driving skills, bad habits, distractions, fatigue, lack of concentration etc were all bigger factors. You can't measure and fine people for those problems though, so no revenue to be made there. And that IS how politicians and government run bodies work.
So if i read everyone right, there is a general consensus that vehicle design improvements have helped reduce accident and trauma rates over the years. Other than that, infrastructure design and environmental conditions also affect accident rates however everything else boils down to attitude.
Generally engineering and budget capability drive vehicle design and road infrastructure so these are out of our hands to a large extent. So how do we make everybody have the same attitude as me? (clearly i'm perfect and the model to aim for)
I know its not speed cameras pinging me at 3-5 km/h over the limit or 40 zones, so is it education? Are we too arrogant? Is there more to driver education than courses on how to steer and brake? Do we allow too much freedom of thought and individualism? Maybe capital punishment for reckless driving (causing death) would scare us into better driving habits? Ok, that's probably a bit too North Korea but sometimes i wish it were true.
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