There have been a few queries about this product over the past year or so. I have used it and I said a while back that I would start a thread for it. I saw some members on the site were looking at rust proofing options on the forum today so I finally got this thread up.
I am still locating some photos, so this first post will get some edits as they arrive.
I looked into this stuff over a long time before I decided to use it. It’s a bit of a tale but, I reckon its worth telling, it really is quite different paint, (if it is paint at all, its almost like a metalised glue!)
Some tips on application and my experience of using it will come in another post on this thread, cause its just too long otherwise.
I first heard about this product about seven years ago from a mate of mine who had seen it online. I had major rust issues in areas of my first van and he suggested I check their website. What I found looked impressive, particularly their video showing the product comparison tests.
I was of course, not straight away convinced and I did a fair amount of research over a number of years into it, and other products before I finally chose it as a rust proofing coat.
Here is the Rust Bullet video I saw years ago showing the sample product tests. (Three weeks of saltwater spray in humidity followed by two weeks of seawater immersion).
http://www.rustbullet.com/testing.asp?id=24 (saltwater spray test)
http://www.rustbullet.com/testing.asp?id=25 (seawater immersion test)
Rust Bullet Automotive can be overcoated with ‘just about’ any other type of paint, - but the initial overcoating of the Rust Bullet (which can be just one coat of sandable primer matching your chosen paint for instance) needs to happen within 48 hours of applying the two required coats of Rust Bullet to do it without sanding or you have to “scuff up” the surface as instructed – with 100-120 grit.. yep...that rough. Otherwise the overcoat wont stick. Its better I think to get the base coat of your top coat system on within the 48 hour window with no sanding. (I note, btw that this 48 hour window is now sometimes described as 52 hours… I think this is happening as the product research continues).
Rust Bullet requires two coats to work (I ended up doing three and a bit due to stuff ups) and there are drying time requirements (min and max) for doing this.
Rust Bullet Automotive also does not actually require a topcoat if you are happy with the interesting silver finish it gives – its sort of a dull metallic silver (good for a non collectible vehicle maybe).
Interestingly, (and attractively to me as the panel work on my car will have to be done in sections), Rust Bullet is claimed by the manufacturer to display some very resilient qualities when exposed to bending of the metal (Mandrel Test) and to heat (I couldn’t find the spec at this stage but I have seen it out there, from memory, it was above 1000 Celsius).
http://www.rustbullet.com/testing.asp?id=27 (Mandrel Bend Test )
http://www.rustbullet.com/testing.asp?id=28 (Impact resistance test)
http://www.rustbullet.com/testing.asp?id=26 (Taber Abrasion Test)
In terms of welding, Rust Bullet needs to be removed from the joining surfaces prior to welding or it may weaken the weld, and it burns toxic, its temperature resistance is very high for paint, the amount of area you may want to redress and re-coat around a weld will depend on the job of course.
Another attractive thing about Rust Bullet is that its application guidelines provide (and dealers I spoke to assured me) that sections of the rust treatment which may be damaged due to panel work after application can simply be re-coated, providing the surfaces are prepped properly – I would imagine some overlap to the previously existing coat though would be a help as well.
But is what they claim true?
So the story starts, I started hunting around and talking to people, I found all the leading rust proofing treatments are fairly pricey, some people recommended PO15 or KBS, and reckoned one or the other were the best avail, but at this time, none of those I spoke to had even heard of Rust Bullet, so .. I had to wonder how informed they were, so I went looking for an Australian distributor to have a chat.
As mentioned, this was around seven years ago and at the time the product was pretty new and had no established distribution in Australia (that has now changed). There were only two dealers on the East coast.
The closest to me was in Nowra so I gave them a call. Turned out it was a service station! (Caltex I think- can’t remember), but the guy explained it had worked for him so well he decided to become a sales outlet. He didn’t stock it, but could get it for customers on order from the US. He told me that it was amazing stuff, did everything it said in the online video, and he “had never seen paint like it”.
He told me that two years prior, he had used it to paint a completely rusted out almost worthless trailer, that had been sitting on the edge of the ocean open to salt spray for more than a decade, the trailer was rusted through in parts, but he wanted to use it once, for just one job, and it needed to pass rego, he hadn’t prepped it at all, just decided to see if this paint he’d heard of would actually stick to rusty steel and work as claimed, and that it did, and came up looking great. AND… (this is what got me)… that more than two years on the trailer had remained sitting on a hill, open to the ocean in the salty wind, and still had not a sign of any rust coming through the paint at all… AND THEN…. he had gone to replace the taillights ( I suppose that means he was still using it) and had to take a file to it to fit them. He told me it took four strokes of a bastard file before it even marked the paint!!!
He went on to say that Rust Bullet just gets harder and harder as it sets. He hadn’t overcoated the Rust Bullet and explained (as everyone I spoke to afterward does) that you don’t need to if you want a silver like finish, it is a one stop material, but will take almost any overcoating with proper adherence to the instructions.
Anyway, due to the timeline of my projects I had a bit of time before I had to decide, I’d held the rusty sections temporarily with Wattyl Kill Rust and… I had to decide on if it was worth saving that van at that stage.. it has some probs! (yep there’ll be a thread on my first van at some stage when I get the pics sorted – I’ve lost some atm).
Over a period of about three or four years, I observed, dropping in to the Rust Bullet website (then there was only one) there were various minor developments, notably, minor changes and additions to the application guides, (these seem to be continuing to develop at this time ) also the addition of the ‘blackshell’ automotive chassis product.
Rust Bullet is available for different applications, their basic product is for structures like buildings, or bridges, or steel infrastructure, even concrete, or, (for instance) restoring rusty farm structures like a big packing shed roof. The Automotive product has been around for at least seven years now and (as far as I understand it) is designed so it can be applied thinner.
If you look at the original (US) website you will find videos on application and heaps of instruction and information, these are replicated and variously added to on the Australian and UK sites.
One of the early videos show a mustang being sprayed with Rust Bullet with very little rust prep comparatively. This video takes a while to play through, but its worth watching to the end I think if you re considering using the product, it also shows use of the (optional) 'blackshell' chassis product.
http://www.rustbullet.com/assets/res...Automotive.flv
That said it would obviously be better not to permanently leave such unprepped areas like as done on that Mustang! On my vehicles, everything that will be permanent I prepped to shiny shiny steel, as you would for any decent paint job and then applied the Rust Bullet.
However, I have some sections that will later be cut out, and so they got minimal prep and this is where I wish I had not lost my photos - I’m still looking!
The final result I got is actually exactly as described by the company. Its good stuff, but its unusual in the way you apply it, I'll put up a post on application issues I had next. Heres some pics that give an idea how it goes on, and one showing it overcoated with 4 coats of Dulon Acrylic sandable primer and Dulon Acrylic top coats. Next post - Application issues!!
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