Could this be a HZ Sandman?

[Wombat7051]

Hey Byron could you check the placard number again that I should have on this HZ. The one 9946867 i keep getting told is for a statesman.

[Innuendo]

Do you have any pictures or further information on this Van?
So far from what has been stated in this thread there is more chance it not being a Sandman then supporting it being one.

You need a lot more proof than a tyre placard.
What other features does it have that would be pointers of it being a Sandman?

[Innuendo]

9946867 i keep getting told is for a statesman.

9946867 is HZ Statesman
9942827 is HX Sandman XU3 optioned
92001123 is HZ Sandman XU3 optioned

[Wombat7051]

hey Innuendo
I started this thread when I was looking at buying the car, so i only had the info that the seller was giving me, and I didnt want to ask to much in case he jacked the price.
When I got it home I went through the van.
The full head linning teeth are there, even thought a lot are missing.
There are footwell lights and door switches.
There are attachments for the console.
At some stage in its life someone didnt like the brown dash pad and glove box. So they have been sprayed black and the glove box section replaced. When I started stripping the paint back the glove box section was blue and had a statsman placard.
Has the GTS dash with the wiring appearing to be original and the fire wall grommet appears untouched.
It has twin leadlight front however this is a differnt colour to the rest of the vehicle.It has a lot of the good gts stuff missing, mirrors, wheels and steering wheel, it looks like someone picked the eye teeth out of it before I got to it.
However I believe all of these features, combined with the plates has lead me to believe that it is a sandman xu3. However as I think you have stated before, it is difficlt to say 100% without a xx7 or xu3 on the tag.

Do you have any pictures or further information on this Van?
So far from what has been stated in this thread there is more chance it not being a Sandman then supporting it being one.

You need a lot more proof than a tyre placard.
What other features does it have that would be pointers of it being a Sandman?

[Wombat7051]

Thanks for that, I take it that the 9942827 is the early HZ xu3 and the 92001123 is the later HZ xu3. So that is the same as the Hx xu3 continued over then.
On that two other questions, what year did the placard change? The second what do the two large letters on the bottm of the placard refer to? eg:Zl, Zh, ZC etc. Thanks

[HK1837]

9942827 is HX 14.5cwt (so normal ute and van and XU3). HZ placards are different to HX due to there being no 6cyl HZ Sandmans so tyre options are different meaning XU4 and XX7 require different placards to each other and normal HZ ute/van and XU3 also require a different placard to each other (again because there were no 6cyl XU3).

[Wombat7051]

So the placard should be the 92001123 for an xu3 byron? Also any idea on the two letters down the bottom? I may be on to a replacement glove box for mine but the number is 92001123 with a ZC in front and only the one row of information in the tables. Just cant find anything on line repo wise that matches the ZC so was worried that it may be for a GTS or something.

[HK1837]

From memory the 2 digit code is the production broadcast sheet code. Almost every part has a 2 digit code or the last 3 digits of teh part number listed on the broadcast sheet. There will be stickers on items with 2 digit codes or painted 2 digit codes on items like engine and box.

Here's one on the starter out of my HJ Premier:
starter.jpg

There is only one row of info as there was only 1 x wheel and only 1 x type of tyre on an XU3, and 92001123 is XU3 only. Should be 14x6 and I think the tyre was an FR78S14 4 P/R steel belted radial. Same tyre was standard on HZ Statesman. I did have a gut feeling at one stage, but couldn't prove or disprove it, that early XU3 HZ may have possibly used the same tyre placard as a HZ Statesman for this reason.
Remember that when HZ came around they had to have the separate tyre placard for Sandman as they were V8 only, which cut out a lot of tyre choices. HZ Statesman is the same, and the base tyres on the HZ Statesman are the same as what was base on an XU3.
However the fly in the ointment was the HZ Statesman had a few optional tyres and wheels that the HZ XU3 didn't: 14x6 wire spoke, 14x7 polycast and also ER70H14 6 P/R, E70-H14 4 P/R, F78S14 4 P/R white side walls plus a 195SR14 4 P/R on NZ delivered Devilles.

Can you take a photo of the placard?

[Wombat7051]

This is the photo that is on fleabay at the moment, I havent bought it yet as I was waiting on conformation on the placard and colour (63V)
$_57.jpg
Here is a photo of one of the repos on the net, (rare spares is the same). note the 3 rows of data and the ZN but same 92001123 number
92001123-2.jpg

[Absinth]

hey Innuendo
I started this thread when I was looking at buying the car, so i only had the info that the seller was giving me, and I didnt want to ask to much in case he jacked the price.
When I got it home I went through the van.
The full head linning teeth are there, even thought a lot are missing.
Full headlining was an optional extra... Maybe, maybe not Sandman

There are footwell lights and door switches.
Also optional... Although you say it has a different colour glovebox and Statesman tyre placard.... Sounds like a trip to the wreckers and grab the courtesy lights, switches and wiring from the Statesman while there.

There are attachments for the console.
Standard with bucket seats and floor shift in HZ

At some stage in its life someone didnt like the brown dash pad and glove box. So they have been sprayed black and the glove box section replaced. When I started stripping the paint back the glove box section was blue and had a statsman placard.
Not a real good sign as puts in doubt the courtesy lights.

Has the GTS dash with the wiring appearing to be original and the fire wall grommet appears untouched.
Optional or easily fitted at any time in its life.

It has twin headlight front however this is a differnt colour to the rest of the vehicle.It has a lot of the good gts stuff missing, mirrors, wheels and steering wheel, it looks like someone picked the eye teeth out of it before I got to it.
Could be from the Statesman the glovebox is from. No GTS bits doesn't help.....

However I believe all of these features, combined with the plates has lead me to believe that it is a sandman xu3. However as I think you have stated before, it is difficlt to say 100% without a xx7 or xu3 on the tag.
wouldn't fill me with too much confidence going off just those observations .

Is the car in original paint?
Can you find evidence of black paint around upper tailgate window, on beaver panel, along bottom sills or around door frames?
Any evidence of decals on back of doors or guards? What spare wheel winch bracket is fitted?
Are door handles, windscreen wipers or windscreen stainless mouldings painted black or evidence they once were?
Is the carpet original, possibly never removed.... Might be a production broadcast sheet under it???


not trying to be a killjoy, just trying to help you find more evidence.

my HX Sandman was totally changed, HZ instruments and fascia, Premier steering wheel, dash and door trims changed and repainted black even though it has 18V trim code. All GTS bits removed but original seats and console left. HZ SL/E front grill. Blue 253 fitted with trimatic auto.... Plates say L32 M20. Gas installation removed spare wheel which and cross member. If it hadn't been for the 18V code I would have totally overlooked it even though it had full headlining and courtesy lights.

post up some pics of exterior and interior, besides maybe helping..... We love pics of as found vans...,