Proposed Sandman ID Guide

[Blocker]

Hey people!

Here is some text that was made a couple years ago by some members on this forum to help produce an simple ID guide.

I'd like everyone to have a look over it and suggest any changes that are obvious so we are not putting out the wrong info.
Remember it needs to be simple enough for the layman to understand, yet enough information to be accurate.

Don't print this out yet until we can get a consensus that the info is correct.



HQ
Is a Sandman if;
· XX7 stamped on the Body ID plate if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)

Could be a Sandman if;
· Has GTS fluted guards
· GTS Dash
· Bucket seats
· 2 Seat capacity on ADR plate
· Rally rims
· Metallic paint
· Trim code with suffix "B", and is based on a;
· 80170 – 6cyl Belmont Panelvan
· 80270 – 8cyl Belmont Panelvan
· 80180 – 6cyl Belmont Ute
· 80280 – 8cyl Belmont Ute
· 80380 – 6cyl Kingswood Ute
· 80480 – 8cyl Kingswood Ute

Not a Sandman if;
· XX7 not stamped on the ADR plate if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)
· Is a column shift
· 3 seat capacity on ADR plate




HJ
Is a Sandman if;
· XX7 or XU3 stamped on the Body ID if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)

Could be a Sandman if;
· Has GTS fluted guards
· White needle GTS dash
2 Seat capacity on ADR plate
· Rally rims
· Metallic paint
· Full headlining which can be identified by a welded metal headlining strip above the tailgate door
· Has a reduced GVW (gross vehicle weight) usually 2200kg or below for XU3, or 1950kg or below for XX7 and built after September 1975


Not a Sandman if;
· XX7 or XU3 not stamped on the Body ID if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)
· has a vehicle code of 8WN80 ute or 8WN70 Van and was built after September 1975 which indicates Kingswood and therefore not a Sandman
· Is a column shift
· Has a bench seat
· Does not have a full length headlining
3 Seat capacity on ADR plate




HX
Is a Sandman if;
· XX7 or XU3 stamped on the Body ID if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)

Could be a Sandman if;
· Has a Body code of 8WM80 ute or 8WM70 van
· 2 Seat capacity on ADR plate
· Has a white needle GTS dash
· Bucket seats
· Rally rims
· Metallic paint
· Full headlining which can be identified by a welded metal headlining strip above the tailgate door
· Has a reduced GVW (gross vehicle weight) usually 2200kg or below for XU3, or 1950kg or below for XX7
· Trim code of 18V, 60A, 65A or 67V

Not a Sandman if;
· XX7 or XU3 not stamped on the ADR plate if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)
· Has a vehicle code of 8WN80 ute or 8WN70 van which indicates Kingswood and therefore not a Sandman
· Is a column shift
· 3 Seat capacity on ADR plate
· Does not have a full length headlining




HZ
Is a Sandman if;
· XX7 or XU3 stamped on the Body ID if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)
· Tyre placard number of either 9946866 for XX7 or 92001123 for XU3

Could be a Sandman if;
· Has a Body code of 8WM80 ute or 8WM70 van
· Has a yellow needle GTS dash
· 2 Seat capacity on ADR plate
· Rally rims
· Metallic paint
· Full headlining which can be identified by a welded metal headlining strip above the tailgate door
· Has a reduced GVW (gross vehicle weight) 1950kg for XX7 vans up until December 1977, 2000kg for XX7 vans after January 1977, 1950kg for XX7 utes and 2200kg for XU3 vans and utes
· Has a trim code of 11C, 18V, 33C, 60V, 77C or 77T
· Has door courtesy lights.
· Front air dam
· Has a twin headlight front

Not a Sandman if;
· XX7 or XU3 not stamped on the Body ID if the vehicle was built in Brisbane (look for H1-H4 on Vin Code)
· Has a 6 cylinder engine
· Has a vehicle code of 8WN80 ute or 8WN70 van
· Is a column shift
· 3 Seat capacity on ADR plate
· Does not have a full length headlining
· Has a trim code of 19V or 62V
· Tyre placard number of 9946868, 9946869, 92005743 or 9947524

[Alien DNA]

Also...

HQ Sandman doesnt have full length headlining!
Does have courtesy lights

[Taily]

A couple of extra points for the early HJ Sandman.

Console front mount in place.
5+1 (rolling) digit speedo (early).
High beam indicator in the facia (early).

[RodneyHZ253]

Would we also say that hq sandman build dates between feb and sept 1974

Hz for example would we say they must be 8WM70 for vans and 8WM80 for utes
There are more possible trim codes for hz sandman's like 63v and 67v
Hx and Hz is a sandman if 8WM70 and is 18v or 65a trims ?

And I think an I'd guide would be a great thing

[Valencia]

What happened to 63v buckskin on hz trim code should that not be there mine is hz sandman with buckskin trim
just asking thats all
cheers

[Blocker]

Thanks for the input everyone, keep them coming.

I will update as you guys provide info. As you know I am not the expert around here (just check my posts) but I want to be able to provide information that is easy to read for the beginner so they have enough data to keep investigating their vehicle to determine its authenticity.

A couple of extra points for the early HJ Sandman.

Console front mount in place.
5+1 (rolling) digit speedo (early).
High beam indicator in the fascia (early).

Is the console mount only for HJ or all Sandman series?

Would we also say that hq sandman build dates between feb and sept 1974

Hz for example would we say they must be 8WM70 for vans and 8WM80 for utes
There are more possible trim codes for hz sandman's like 63v and 67v
Hx and Hz is a sandman if 8WM70 and is 18v or 65a trims ?

And I think an I'd guide would be a great thing

Thanks Rodney - I'll add the build date from Feb 74 for HQ.
I'll add the body code in for HX and HZ.

What happened to 63v buckskin on hz trim code should that not be there mine is hz sandman with buckskin trim
just asking thats all
cheers

Getting onto Rodney and Glacier's points about trim code - should there be a list of trim codes that were included on Sandman or excluded? Which one would be easier to list?

If I recall Byron and Leroy have been doing a lot of work on trim codes and I think Byron mentioned it is a can of worms, or that's his way of saying there is just not enough info available yet to be sure...

Anyway, thanks for input keep it coming.

[V8VAN]

Would a list of definite trim codes, and a list of possible trim codes for a Sandman work?

I don't know enough about the available trim to know if that's feasible or not, just an idea.

[playwme]

I agree, trim codes need 2 separate lists, possibly 3. In conjunction with 8WM you need a "is","could be", "isn't".

Also, what about Blackouts? They can be a good telltale, especially the black door handles. I think Ozbox had a really rusty wreck he'd spotted as a Sandman cause of the black door handles. It's a nice easy one for the laymen as well.

[HK1837]

Blocker, some glaring mistakes like ADR plate should be BODY plate for Acacia Ridge vehicles. Lots of other small errors and when I get a chance i'll go through it.
Biggest problem is trying to simplify something that is fairly complicated in some areas. The ID part of the book is not yet finished and up to at least 12 x A4 pages already. I reckon you are better off scrapping the Sandman ID and building a "how to determine it isn't" guide. I've found this a much better approach. Stops 60% of queries at the first hurdle.

[Blocker]

Damn I swear I changed them to Body Plate! Thanks.