I am so confused HJ Sandman

[chezzabeer]

O.K. I bought my van, limited time didn't check plates.
The guy assures me she is genuine I trust his word. at the time I felt it didnt matter genuine or not I was in love.... however now I just want to clarify, I hate the thought of telling people she is if in fact she isnt :-( and more especially for insurance purposes.

I contacted GMH, to check and all they can Authenticate is that she is a genuine Belmont body/build LOL and tell me to look for the three XX7, XU3 or XY5 (the latter I have yet to see mentioned in these forums) on my plate and if I have any of those I can be sure!! LOL
OH dear devestation.... none of those

After reading the forums I am soo confused. If I understand corectly the compliance plates were only stamped with these codes at the Brisbane factory? And if some are made with out the stamping why cant the holden hotline tell me that?

So my question, Is it possible my girl is actually Genuine without that stamping?
I really hope you guys can help clear my total confusion.

Will include plates now and any further info/pics required

Thanks in advance
~Cheryle~

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[thatotherguy]

xx7 is a brisbane thing your plate is a bit hard to read but it looks like it was built in adelaide so it wont have xx7 stamped on it, HJ sandman bodies were unique so it should have a full roof lining (no other HJ vans had this ) if the rooflining is missing then it should have the attachments for one hope that helps

[hqgts]

xx7 is a brisbane thing your plate is a bit hard to read but it looks like it was built in adelaide so it wont have xx7 stamped on it, HJ sandman bodies were unique so it should have a full roof lining (no other HJ vans had this ) if the rooflining is missing then it should have the attachments for one hope that helps

Correct me if Im wrong but not only sandmans had a full length headlining in HJ.... Ambulance pack came with full headlining as well

[HK1837]

Correct me if Im wrong but not only sandmans had a full length headlining in HJ.... Ambulance pack came with full headlining as well

In HJ BB7 only came with B30 comfort pack (BB7 + carpet), and you were only supposed to be able to get this as part of Sandman. Like other stuff I have no doubt some non Sandman vans got B30 but they will be very rare, one of the reasons i wont say 'Sandman' for sure on headlining alone

[hqgts]

Remember the photos of the HJ that i sent you a few years ago.... Brisbane built metallic paint full length headlining l31 m21 but no centre console brackets, and NO xx7 on the tags....

[HK1837]

It could be, but you can't pick a HJ from the plates. 1950kg GVW means it was most likely an XX7 Sandman but not necessarily. Holden have no idea, don't bother with them. XX7 or XU3 will only appear on Acacia Ridge build BODY plate, yours is Elizabeth (Adelaide) body assembly so it won't have any special vehicle package codes. XY5 is the option code for white stripes on HQ-HJ and never appears on plates.

Also, the ID plates have obviously been off the car so just because the tags were originally on a Sandman doesn't mean the body they are on now was one. Can you post up or send me a photo of the VIN plate, and i'll check that they all belong together?

[chezzabeer]

It could be, but you can't pick a HJ from the plates. 1950kg GVW means it was most likely an XX7 Sandman but not necessarily. Holden have no idea, don't bother with them. XX7 or XU3 will only appear on Acacia Ridge build BODY plate, yours is Elizabeth (Adelaide) body assembly so it won't have any special vehicle package codes. XY5 is the option code for white stripes on HQ-HJ and never appears on plates.

Also, the ID plates have obviously been off the car so just because the tags were originally on a Sandman doesn't mean the body they are on now was one. Can you post up or send me a photo of the VIN plate, and i'll check that they all belong together?

Thank you [MENTION=225]HK1837[/MENTION]
All info I have read points at yes, but GMH totally stumped me when I contacted them, so now I guess I would really like to be confident .

The origional colour was supposed to be manderine red. but she has had several re-sprays now and I could not confirm that under the body she was.
I could not understand why the plates would have been removed, and must say don't like that too much
How can you tell??

The vin will be below. Thank you for your help and knowledge.
I cant check at this moment the roof linning situation, but am 99% sure the hooks are there, although linning was removed for resto purposes.

Are the earlier pictures clear enough for you? What other details would you need to be 99% 100% sure?
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[HK1837]

Thank you [MENTION=225]HK1837[/MENTION]
All info I have read points at yes, but GMH totally stumped me when I contacted them, so now I guess I would really like to be confident .

The origional colour was supposed to be manderine red. but she has had several re-sprays now and I could not confirm that under the body she was.
I could not understand why the plates would have been removed, and must say don't like that too much
How can you tell??

The vin will be below. Thank you for your help and knowledge.
I cant check at this moment the roof linning situation, but am 99% sure the hooks are there, although linning was removed for resto purposes.

Are the earlier pictures clear enough for you? What other details would you need to be 99% 100% sure?
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It was originally Mandarin red (pronounced man-dar-in, not man-de-rin (as in the fruit or chinese language) as people often mistakenly call it).
It is obvious plates have been off, rivets are all wrong.
Vin, Body and chassis numbers all pretty much go together, although the chassis number is a fraction out of sequence with what i'd have expected (i'd have expected it to be 1000 numbers higher), but nothing really out of the norm.
Pictures are fine.
There is no way I can be 100% sure it is a Sandman. I'm about 90% confident the ID plates were off a Pagewood assembled Sandman, but without inspecting the body up close there is no way to tell for sure it is a Sandman body. If it is a Sandman body it'll have attachment steelwork for the full headlining plus factory HJ console brackets, but without seeing these up close it is impossible to tell. Pictures don't really help all that much, they'll just show the stuff is there not that it was there originally.

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Ah yes, but chezzabeer stated that Holden told her it was a genuine Belmont and I was just pointing this out for the OP.

Funny isn't it? Holden stating that a HJ is a genuine Belmont van. When for starters it isn't. And if it was, that is the only type of HJ van anyway, so ALL HJ vans would be genuine Belmonts!

[chezzabeer]

It was originally Mandarin red (pronounced man-dar-in, not man-de-rin (as in the fruit or chinese language) as people often mistakenly call it).
It is obvious plates have been off, rivets are all wrong.
Vin, Body and chassis numbers all pretty much go together, although the chassis number is a fraction out of sequence with what i'd have expected (i'd have expected it to be 1000 numbers higher), but nothing really out of the norm.
Pictures are fine

There is no way I can be 100% sure it is a Sandman. I'm about 90% confident the ID plates were off a Pagewood assembled Sandman, but without inspecting the body up close there is no way to tell for sure it is a Sandman body. If it is a Sandman body it'll have attachment steelwork for the full headlining plus factory HJ console brackets, but without seeing these up close it is impossible to tell. Pictures don't really help all that much, they'll just show the stuff is there not that it was there originally.

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Funny isn't it? Holden stating that a HJ is a genuine Belmont van. When for starters it isn't. And if it was, that is the only type of HJ van anyway, so ALL HJ vans would be genuine Belmonts!

Thankyou so much for your time to look into it and explain.
At the end of the day I am still none the wiser. Guess I can honestly say to my knowledge it is a genuine Sandman!! ( or appears to be) without being 100% I cant believe how difficult it is to find info, Is there any way I can track previous owners?
The prevoius owner had told me he met the origional 1st buyer who confirmed it was a Sandman he said he bought it up in Brisbane, which would seem weird if there is a factory up there to be an Adelaide build? would it not??

is there any one in Tassie who may be able to assit me to with the vrification of the console bracket?

GMH said it was a belmont/build body from the plates and that was the only Authnticity they could give me unless it had the XX7 or Xu3 stamp then they would still not give actual authenticity, but rather a letter saying these numbers correspond with the Sandman theyalso said that holden didnt actually decide which vans would be sandmans, that that was up to the dealers.

Who ever knew it could be so hard The belmont thing is confusing too. Do we all own HJ belmont Sandies???? LOL Jeesh! I just thought they were HJ's blonde I know,....... I can hear you men all laughing now.

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It was originally Mandarin red (pronounced man-dar-in, not man-de-rin (as in the fruit or chinese language) as people often mistakenly call it).
It is obvious plates have been off, rivets are all wrong.
Vin, Body and chassis numbers all pretty much go together, although the chassis number is a fraction out of sequence with what i'd have expected (i'd have expected it to be 1000 numbers higher), but nothing really out of the norm.
Pictures are fine

There is no way I can be 100% sure it is a Sandman. I'm about 90% confident the ID plates were off a Pagewood assembled Sandman, but without inspecting the body up close there is no way to tell for sure it is a Sandman body. If it is a Sandman body it'll have attachment steelwork for the full headlining plus factory HJ console brackets, but without seeing these up close it is impossible to tell. Pictures don't really help all that much, they'll just show the stuff is there not that it was there originally.

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Funny isn't it? Holden stating that a HJ is a genuine Belmont van. When for starters it isn't. And if it was, that is the only type of HJ van anyway, so ALL HJ vans would be genuine Belmonts!

Thankyou so much for your time to look into it and explain.
At the end of the day I am still none the wiser. Guess I can honestly say to my knowledge it is a genuine Sandman!! ( or appears to be) without being 100% I cant believe how difficult it is to find info, Is there any way I can track previous owners?
The prevoius owner had told me he met the origional 1st buyer who confirmed it was a Sandman he said he bought it up in Brisbane, which would seem weird if there is a factory up there to be an Adelaide build? would it not??

is there any one in Tassie who may be able to assit me to with the vrification of the console bracket?

GMH said it was a belmont/build body from the plates and that was the only Authnticity they could give me unless it had the XX7 or Xu3 stamp then they would still not give actual authenticity, but rather a letter saying these numbers correspond with the Sandman theyalso said that holden didnt actually decide which vans would be sandmans, that that was up to the dealers.

Who ever knew it could be so hard The belmont thing is confusing too. Do we all own HJ belmont Sandies???? LOL Jeesh! I just thought they were HJ's blonde I know,....... I can hear you men all laughing now.

[Innuendo]

GMH said it was a belmont/build body from the plates and that was the only Authnticity they could give me unless it had the XX7 or Xu3 stamp then they would still not give actual authenticity, but rather a letter saying these numbers correspond with the Sandman theyalso said that holden didnt actually decide which vans would be sandmans, that that was up to the dealers.

Putting aside whether it is or isn't a genuine Sandman. It 100% isn't a Belmont. Holden did not make any Belmonts in the HJ series. What they did make was a Holden Panel Van. The Belmont name was dropped for the HJ series.