Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

[TwoTees]

you say its got an hq chassis under it?...then it WAS a sandman..not anymore..:(

Hey V6HQUTE,
About the above statement, have a read of this attached thread and make up your own mind as to weather it is still a sandman or not. There is a divided opinion as to the validity of it so have a read and draw your own conclusions.

Congratulations on the find.

http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/s...ead.php?t=1196

[ozbox]

Hey V6HQUTE,
About the above statement, have a read of this attached thread and make up your own mind as to weather it is still a sandman or not. There is a divided opinion as to the validity of it so have a read and draw your own conclusions.

Congratulations on the find.

http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/s...ead.php?t=1196

hahahahaha..still cant get your head around it can you.......

[agr071]

HQ chassis = BIG BLOCK!!!!!!!

[V6HQUTE]

it still a sandman to me, i dont really car if its the wrong chasssie i will do what i can to find the original, but i dont like my chances, i will try restore it too its factory specs, once ive finished my ute, i dont plan on selling either my hq or the sandman ever, they can sit in the shed restored, until i want to drive them

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HQ chassis = BIG BLOCK!!!!!!!

yeah i reckon, if i keep the hq chassie ill go atleast a 350, fuel injected would be nice, but it wont be until next year i start it, probally mid next year and fix it as long as it takes, not time limit

[HQGTSbrad]

I agree with you mate it's still a classic wheather it's original or not At the end of the day it's just a car and if you appreciate it you wont care what people say.

[V6HQUTE]

yeah realy who these days actually know anything about these old cars, other than a few and blokes on sites like this, so i dont care i own a sandman for 300bucks, i cant even show if to my mates cause theyve got no idea about cars, not even new ones

[TwoTees]

hahahahaha..still cant get your head around it can you.......

I simply informed him of where he can read the opinions of lots of forum members, then come to his own conclusions as the enjoyment he was having in finding a sandman was tainted by an single opinion.

[ozbox]

I simply informed him of where he can read the opinions of lots of forum members, then come to his own conclusions as the enjoyment he was having in finding a sandman was tainted by an single opinion.

i wasnt trying to taint it..i was bursting his bubble before it got out of control and floated away...
its called a reality check for the purposes of originality by identification of legal numbers.

[TwoTees]

As I said the opinion of 1 compared to the opinion of many.

I know this is a debate that may go on for ever but consider this.........

Firstly lets clear up what constitutes a Sandman? It is a GMH vehicle with a "unique number" stamped on the chassis, a GMH vehicle fitted with a body shell that has been fitted out to a Belmont/Kingswood luxury level, and then a further "sports" option package on top. All of these properties are documented in the Tag info that are fixed to the body.

Depending on where you live the local authorities use the GMH "unique number" stamped on the chassis to identify each vehicle and then they give it their own unique number.

So.........

Lets say I have a HQ Belmont ute. The least optioned, cheapest ute I could have bought from GMH. I run it over a gutter a speed and break the chassis. I find a burnt out HQ Sandman and buy its chassis to repair mine. Yes, its GMH "unique identifier" stamped into the chassis to differentiate it from the 2 million other utes out there has been changed and the relevant authorities need to be notified and paper work changed BUT........

Is it still a Belmont?

If it is no longer a Belmont, what is it?

Can I insure it as a Sandman?

Is it now worth the same money as a Sandman?

No! Its still a Belmont!

So why, if a Sandman has a chassis change, is it no longer a Sandman? It is a Sandman that has had its chassis changed and its original GMH "Unique Identifier" stamped into the chassis has been changed. So it is a non original Sandman.

Is it still a vehicle? Yes. Is it still a GMH vehicle? Yes. Is it still a GMH vehicle that was optioned up to Sandman? Yes. Just not as original as others.

[V6HQUTE]

As I said the opinion of 1 compared to the opinion of many.

I know this is a debate that may go on for ever but consider this.........

Firstly lets clear up what constitutes a Sandman? It is a GMH vehicle with a "unique number" stamped on the chassis, a GMH vehicle fitted with a body shell that has been fitted out to a Belmont/Kingswood luxury level, and then a further "sports" option package on top. All of these properties are documented in the Tag info that are fixed to the body.

Depending on where you live the local authorities use the GMH "unique number" stamped on the chassis to identify each vehicle and then they give it their own unique number.

So.........

Lets say I have a HQ Belmont ute. The least optioned, cheapest ute I could have bought from GMH. I run it over a gutter a speed and break the chassis. I find a burnt out HQ Sandman and buy its chassis to repair mine. Yes, its GMH "unique identifier" stamped into the chassis to differentiate it from the 2 million other utes out there has been changed and the relevant authorities need to be notified and paper work changed BUT........

Is it still a Belmont?

If it is no longer a Belmont, what is it?

Can I insure it as a Sandman?

Is it now worth the same money as a Sandman?

No! Its still a Belmont!

So why, if a Sandman has a chassis change, is it no longer a Sandman? It is a Sandman that has had its chassis changed and its original GMH "Unique Identifier" stamped into the chassis has been changed. So it is a non original Sandman.

Is it still a vehicle? Yes. Is it still a GMH vehicle? Yes. Is it still a GMH vehicle that was optioned up to Sandman? Yes. Just not as original as others.

i agree with you about the belmont, its still only a belmont, its the body and id tags that make it a sandman, and also this ute has a sunroof, they werent factory optioned were they, becuase the bloke i bought it off wants the sunroof, really if something happend to the chassie on a sandman, and the owner gets another, hes not going to say, i used to own a sandman until i changed the chassie, hes going to say i own a sandman.(full stop) and not mention the chassie