Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

**mauser** · 13-09-2011, 09:13 AM

haha if we wanted to argue about this stuff we would all buy HK/T/G Monaro's and enter the concourse class...

Mauser

BTW has anyone kept a tank of 1974 air for my period correct tyres....

**Rico** · 13-09-2011, 11:58 AM

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**ozbox** · 13-09-2011, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by HZSandman

It's always important to remember that 2 people can have different opinions on something and come at it from a different angel and both have valid points. No one is right and no one is wrong they are just different opinions. We need to respect that in our discussions.

i can respect other peoples opinions but when they are trying to argue a point that is not valid then i will argue back..

the reason i am so gung ho on putting my point across to this argument is that we have so many lurkers here reading these posts that they need to know that these vehicles must have a matching chassis to tag to be truely collectible at a top scale..

legally in all states of australia the chassis number is the identifier of the vehicle..no if buts or maybe.
a sandman body with its old tags attached regardless of identifying things like console brackets etc is still just a body on another chassis if these 2 items do not align for numbers and therefore desreases its collectibility and value..
im happy for people to disagree with these points but no one should push the argument that the value is still in the vehicle.
if people are happy to have a sandman with sandman tags and mismatched chasis then so be it ...
but the education is about the value of matching chassis to tags and i will always pop up when this subject is bought up and put my points across so the lurkers can understand and not pay big bucks for mismatched chassis to tags..

**V6HQUTE** · 13-09-2011, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by HK1837

If it was me doing it i'd hunt down some naked rails and get them Police number stamped.

any more info on this?

**HK1837** · 13-09-2011, 05:30 PM

There are still replacement rails out there with no number. If you put this in your car and go to register it, it will need a Police issued chassis number.

**V6HQUTE** · 13-09-2011, 05:38 PM

all right then so say i find replacement rails, are they stamped to the numbers stamped on the tags, which then makes it a matching numbers sandman, or it makes no difference and i should just use a hz chassie ive got allready, does it cost anything to have the cops stamp the chassie?

**TwoTees** · 13-09-2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by ozbox

legally in all states of australia the chassis number is the identifier of the vehicle..no if buts or maybe.
a sandman body with its old tags attached regardless of identifying things like console brackets etc is still just a body on another chassis if these 2 items do not align for numbers and therefore desreases its collectibility and value..

Are you are saying the chassis forms the identity of the vehicle as a whole and if the chassis is different from the original the entire vehicles identity has changed? Changed to what?

Is this is a legal thing or just your opinion?

**HK1837** · 13-09-2011, 06:29 PM

If you change a chassis the legal identity of the vehicle changes. Say you crashed a HQ. You put other HQ rails in it. You have to hand the rego plates back in, and re-register it with the chassis number on the new rails. If the rails have no number it will get stamped with a Police issued number like the following when you try to register it:

ZXXYYYYP. Z is the first letter of the State eg N for NSW. XX is the year eg 11 for 2011. YYYY is a sequential number. P is Police Examples: N991234P, V014321P etc. These numbers can be chassis numbers or engine numbers.

**sanman** · 13-09-2011, 06:35 PM

Similar to engines that were changed over under warranty, in Victoria they might have been VP 63****. I have seen a few, pretty common in FB's.

Bit of Trivia.

Geoff

**ozbox** · 13-09-2011, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by TwoTees

Are you are saying the chassis forms the identity of the vehicle as a whole and if the chassis is different from the original the entire vehicles identity has changed? Changed to what?

Is this is a legal thing or just your opinion?

if you bothered to read the other thread i believe the same comment is in that as well..

im a licensed motor dealer and have been for 30 years so im not gunna waffle on with this shit if it was just my opinion...

the chassis number which is what we are referring to hear is the legal identity of the vehicle...throw the tags over your shoulder and you can still register the car,but if you have no chassis number you must have a police number issued as the chassis number..tags meen nothing in the legal terms of registration..

to expand on what byron has said...take your tagged sandman hz or whatever with hq chassis and register it and it will be a hq not an hz...so if the chassis is stamped AHQ10005 it would be registered as a 1971 hq...regardless of your tags saying its a 5/78 hz...so yes the complete identity of the vehicle is changed and changed to whatever the chassis number is..LEGALLY.

so therefore anyones l31 m21 xx7 whatever is only a set of tin plates on another body wether its the original body to the tags or not if the chassis number does not MATCH the tags...

can you digest any of this 2t...????