Could this be a sandman - Chassis swap

[HQGTSbrad]

Nice Brad! But why aren't you in bed asleep?

What you talking about? i haven't posted in here since Monday night?

[jennie285]

What you talking about? i haven't posted in here since Monday night?

Gaddy thought it was you Brad as it was HQGTS who posted similar username is all....and of course you would have been in bed

cheers J

[TwoTees]

just suck it up sweetheart...:(
it clearly states that its identity is now of the chassis number which does not match the tag hence identity is changed..
the vehicle becomes a whatever it is by the chassis number and therefore looses its complete heritage and becomes a non matching numbers vehicle that is wearing sandman tags and may be its original body..
when you can totally refute my claims with paperwork that is readable by the layman then come back and start another thread..
like i have always said it isnt a numbers correct sandman anymore by way of change of chassis which as the paperwork says makes it loose its original identity legally..
no matter how you may interpret the rta paperwork its just straight black and white to my original argument that once the chassis is changed the vehicle takes on the identity of the new chassis number..

I didnt have time to digest the document this morning and now I am home and have had some time to look at it.
Firstly it says this...

"Note: The compliance plate where fitted will be disregarded and the vehicle will be considered a
“vehicle without a compliance plate” if:
• the identifying number on the compliance plate does not match the chassis number or the
vehicle identification number (VIN) stamped on the vehicle."

So the vehicle falls into the "vehicle without a compliance plate" category.
I wont post the entire section but in will summerise for those people that dont want to spend 1/2 an hour reading a bunch of dull text.
It goes on about what you need to do and provide to register it.
Proof of previous rego, ownership and the like.

t clearly states that its identity is now of the chassis number which does not match the tag hence identity is changed

Are we even reading the same document?
please cut and paste the line that states this?

Lets just recap what it is we are debating
You claim "The chassis has been changed so the vehicle is no longer a Sandman!
To back this up you claim "The Vehicle that receives the new chassis retains the identity of the vehicle that the replacement chassis came from.
And then you stated this was law.

Can you please enlighten me to any section that states that.......
The vehicles identity from the donor chassis will be amended to the "registrable vehicle", including its Model designation (The sandman title that you claim is now gone)
or
The identity of the registrable vehicle is to be obliterated including its Model designation (The sandman title that you claim is now gone)

Until you can provide a document that states this and that it leaves no room for interpretation, I will continue to disagree.
This document says nothing that backs up your claims. It just talks about the ADR's, what you need to do to make it comply and the proof you need to provide of ownership to register it. If you feel that a vehicle looses its model designation because it has no ADR plate can you please provide some details of this?

I understand what you are trying to say but to me it looks like you are confusing legal details of identifying a registrable vehicle as being unique and complying with a standard with the allege-ability of being a collectable vehicle.
I know and agree that a Sandman with a chassis swap is not as collectable as a 100% Sandman but it is still a Sandman.

If the statement
"A Sandman with a chassis swap is legally no longer a Sandman" it would also be logical that the statement...
"A Belmont with a chassis swap is legally no longer a Belmont" or
"A Statesman with a chassis swap is legally no longer a Statesman"

This is the statement we are debating. The model designation of the vehicle has nothing to do the registration that you want to put on it and have it accepted on the road as a "Registrable Vehicle". The model designation of a registrable vehicle is what makes it collectable! Not a legal entity.

I have asked this question before with no reply so I will ask it again
If a vehicle with a chassis swap is legally no longer a Sandman by your definition! What is it? A black and gold generic vehicle with no name?

I feel that I have now put a strong case forward and do not have the time to spend continuing to get some proof from you. I have left the ball in your court to provide the proof of these claims. So far, I feel this has not been done.

I do however, request that you be a little more tactful when commenting on other peoples cars, possessions etc. Especially younger and newer members. This is what has provoked me to try and get you to provide the proof to your claims. Crusty old members like me that have some some life experience dealing with people don't let stuff like this bother us, but a young kid just out of school?

[ozbox]

ive proved what i need to and i wont bother responding to your inane little diggings anymore to verify anything that you cant find..
your grasping at straws from what i can see ...

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I do however, request that you be a little more tactful when commenting on other peoples cars, possessions etc.

request ?........:Chin:.......not gunna happen.

[GNW1974]

Food for thought to back up Oxbox's argument about chassis numbers affecting values. A very good friend of mine in WA went to Melbourne in the early 80's with his beautifully restored XR GT. Got stolen, found two weeks later with ground off engine number and chasis/body number. He offered it to me for $1000.(Didn't take him up as he wanted to by my Sandman ute at the time) Sold it to some other locals for $800. I think he paid about 12K for it before it was stolen. Too hard to prove its originality.

[ozbox]

is this why you are so obsessed at proving the identity is in the tags and not the chassis?
http://www.mysandman.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=999
fourth post in that thread..makes perfect sense to me now....:( for you.

[GTS]

I was going to stay out of this shit fight...and maybe I'll regret having gotten into it, but here is my 2 cents worth.

1 cent : The "option" Sandman wasn't a recognised "model" by any RTA (as far as I'm aware) neither was Belmont or Kingswood.....they were HQ HJ HX HZ Sedan, Ute, Panel Van, Coupe were they not?

Another 1 cent : I had a mate who put a 1948 Chev ute body on a HQ chassis. For rego he had to put a HQ tyre placard in the glovebox and a "knock off" rear vision mirror in the cabin...just like a HQ J X Z and interior sun visors. It was registered as a HQ Holden because thats what the chassis was....it had SFA to do with the body.

I really dont want to get into the nuts and bolts of the argument but even an XY GTHO Phase 3 was registered simply as a Falcon sedan. All the fancy names and tags mean zip to rego.

Im defence of the Sandman argument I agree that it is a bit rude to try and pass off a non Sandman as a Sandman.:errf:...but it comes down to "buyer beware"

[playwme]

Coming soon to Channel 9, CSI Newcastle.

[GTS]

Coming soon to Channel 9, CSI Newcastle.

Ha ha ha ha ....
And those bits solved my problem...thanks

[agr071]

COOL!!!!
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